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The Search for Ancestors - Anton and Alice Wolak From Galicia Poland
Welcome to Stories in Life. You're on the radio with Mark and Joe. We share stories that affirm your belief in the goodwill, courage, determination, commitment, and vision of everyday people.
MarkWolak:Our goal is that through another person's story, you may find connection, no matter your place in life. The stories we select will be inspiring and maybe help you laugh, cry, think, or change your mind about something important in your life.
JoeBoyle:Join us for this episode of Stories in Life.
MarkWolak:And plenty of beverages and lots of boots and people dancing and laughing. And it has a strong history here in central Minnesota. But I've also heard this kind of music in southern Arizona. South Texas. Border Towns. It's the music of our family. It's the music of immigrants. Our family immigrated into the United States in the 1880s from an area which is currently Poland that was fraught with wars with different countries. And they took great risks to come here and build communities, build schools, find occupations, build churches, and we're the beneficiaries of these immigrants. So this episode is to dive into the genealogy of my family on my dad's side, but also we'll explore what was happening in the 1880s in the world, what would bring people to this country to do this kind of great risk of moving an entire family to another country. We're looking forward to sharing this episode with you, and you'll see and hear lots of great music. Thanks for listening. So let's take you back to Poland in 1795. From 1795 to 1918, there was no Poland. Poland lost the Galician area in 1772, and the 1791 constitution was followed by war that caused further partitions. World War I was Poland's war of independence. By 1880, my great great-great-grandfather Thomas would have had little future ahead. He lost his father in 1852 at the age of four. He was the youngest boy, so he would not have inherited any land. He lived in one of the poorest regions of Galicia. The only career would have been with the Austrian-Hungarian military. My great-great-great Thomas Wallach married Tekla in November of 1880 and left Galicia for Bremen, Germany, and sailed to the United States, arriving July 1881 in Baltimore, Maryland. The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad signed an agreement with the Lloyd Steamship Company for the transport of freight and passengers between Brummer and Baltimore. This included a discounted sale and rail fare to the inland destination. So by the eighteen eighties, over 280,000 immigrants came through Baltimore on this deal. From Baltimore, they traveled to Pennsylvania. From Pennsylvania, they traveled to Illinois. And from Illinois, they traveled to Benton County, Minnesota. Where my story begins. And all the great effort that they made to establish family churches, schools, gave me the benefit of growing up in the United States. As you'll learn in this episode, we're related. She's my sister. And we have some common interest in the study of our father and his history in the United States and in Europe. The purpose is to give our listeners a chance to learn a little bit about how you go about genealogy work. So we're going to stay with the basics for a while and then we're going to find out some things that that she learned in this process. So welcome, Amy.
AmyJowers:Thank you.
MarkWolak:Welcome to Stories in Life, Amy.
AmyJowers:Thank you, Joe and Mark. I'm glad to be here and I'm glad to share my story.
JoeBoyle:What motivated you uh in the beginning to start uncovering the genealogical aspect of your family?
AmyJowers:Well, no one had ever done research on my dad's family. Someone on my mom's had already done a couple books. They were tracking uh their families as they grew. They knew the background history, but no one knew anything about my dad's family. Um, he was 100% Polish. Both parents had were Polish, and their parents, their their parents were Polish. It was something that I thought I could do. Um, I love history. Um the computer was just starting to be, you know, used well, and I wanted to know where our great-grandparents came from in Poland.
JoeBoyle:So what when was this? What date?
AmyJowers:Uh it was around 2000. I joined the Minnesota Historical Genealogy, Genealogical Society at that point. I wrote to them and said, I'm researching the last name Wallach. I know my great-grandparents are Thomas and Tekla, and they came from Poland, and that's how it started.
MarkWolak:You know, we we mentioned Grandma Francis Wolak in one of our early episodes because we were talking about uh stories that people share. And so Grandma Francis Wallach was kind of a key figure in our family because we didn't we didn't have living grandparents as children. Yes. They died when we were young, or they died before we were born. Uh, it is interesting when you think about where did you start? So I'm curious. Um, what were your first steps?
AmyJowers:Well, I joined the society and then I joined Ancestry.com. That was just starting to be really popular.
JoeBoyle:This is 25 years ago.
AmyJowers:Yeah, it was.
JoeBoyle:Yeah, okay.
AmyJowers:Two of my cousins, Barb Holland and Mary Beth Quade, also had contacted me and they started sharing information that they had started that they had gathered over the years. Most of it was newspaper articles, some pictures. Um, and that's kind of how I started. And this was you're starting with nothing. So when you get on ancestry.com, you put in a name. Well, there are a lot of Thomas Wallachs out there.
MarkWolak:Yeah.
AmyJowers:It just is not um, I didn't have a lot of success the first, I would say, first couple years. It wasn't really until I moved back to Minnesota where I met with Marianne Quaidy and I met with Barb Holland, where I got a little bit more background on where else I could search.
MarkWolak:And what did that lead you to? What was it that kind of tweaked the information for you? LinkedIn.
AmyJowers:Well, they they recommended several websites: Minnesota Historical Society, the Minnesota Birth and Death Death Index, which is really well kept, really well maintained. I got a lot of information from that. The Benton County Historical Society, that was another one that they recommended. And then I Googled a lot. I just put in names and I said, How do I find relatives from Poland? And how do I find passenger ship lists? And you know, the internet was was very helpful.
JoeBoyle:So it was less of a specific process and more of uh just roll up your sleeves and do the research.
AmyJowers:Yes. Okay. Yeah. And you know, you can you you go down a lot of rabbit holes, and part of the the research itself is a learning process of just how websites work. You know, ancestry.com is not an intuitive resource.
JoeBoyle:Right.
AmyJowers:Um, you can put in a name and it'll say nothing found. Well, you know there's a birth record out there, and you know that there's a death record out there, but you have to start refining your search and you have to learn how to do that. You have to learn how to either put in a city or you put in their parents' names. That helped a great deal if you knew what their parents' names were. But it was a lot of where could I find this information and who else has it out there?
JoeBoyle:What would you say were some of the major roadblocks you hit? I mean, I think you mentioned brick walls every now and then.
AmyJowers:Yeah.
JoeBoyle:Yeah. What were those?
AmyJowers:Well, one of them is that everyone had a lot of the same names. There were a lot of John Wolaks, a lot of Thomas Wolaks, a lot of Sam Wolaks. Peter was used a lot, Mary and Anna. So even in Minnesota, you could find a lot of John Wolak. And you had to really know what you were looking for. You had to know how to refine your search down in order to make it productive. Um, so that's where the parents' names came in and helped.
MarkWolak:Well, one of the confusions I know is that we grew up with the name, our last name spelling W-O-L-A-K, but we had an uncle who spelled it with two L's. Right. So did you run into that challenge with uh just spelling and connecting the dots of relatives?
AmyJowers:Yes, that was that was an issue. And even in in Minnesota, there are there is there are Wolak families that are spelled with two L's. And again, the names are often the same.
JoeBoyle:John, Mary, could they be sure tail relatives of yours?
AmyJowers:They aren't because they're from different parents.
JoeBoyle:I see. Okay.
AmyJowers:Yeah. And I found that out because I I did track them. I thought, well, maybe they are related. And it took me years before I figured out, no, we have no connection with each other, different parents, different region from Poland. You have to love history and you have to love finding the true fact.
MarkWolak:What was the most uh surprising information you found, or the most interesting information you found based on your love of history?
AmyJowers:Um, you know, I think it's that in the 1800s, the census takers in the United States were told not to record Polish people from Poland. Poland had disappeared. It was no longer a country because Germany and the Austro-Hungarian uh regime had split up the country. So the western half was German and the eastern half was Austrian. So when you look at the 1890 and 1910 census, you'll find that Poland is not commonly recorded. And I thought that was a good representation of how the world saw Poland itself.
MarkWolak:So that was the time when our family generation was migrating here, right?
AmyJowers:Yes, it was.
MarkWolak:So that made it more difficult to trace it back to where they came from?
AmyJowers:Yeah, it did.
MarkWolak:Mm-hmm. Yep.
AmyJowers:It did. And you know, that's something I learned by going to the meetings with the Minnesota Society. That was a great resource. And I encourage anyone who wants to do research to find the local groups because all of them, you're all doing research, and you all can share your resources and the things you learn. And uh one of the the tips that I got was I couldn't find anything on Tecla Wallach. And I thought, well, this is just odd. I know she died in Minnesota. And someone told me, look under Mrs. Sure enough, Mrs. Alice Wallach.
JoeBoyle:There it was.
AmyJowers:Yep. Instead of being under Wolak, it was under M.
MarkWolak:Oh, interesting. So, and just for our listeners, Tecla is a great grandparent.
AmyJowers:Great grandparent, correct.
MarkWolak:Of us. Correct. So I'm fascinated by that history, that historical group that you meet with. Is that something that's just in particular states or is it across the United States? Where you can get into an ancestry group.
AmyJowers:Well, I I would think that they were almost all over in every state. They're there, there's an umbrella umbrella group called the Polish Genealogical Society, but then different chapters in each state.
MarkWolak:Okay.
AmyJowers:So if you're in Alabama or you know, Chicago, they'll all have their own societies.
JoeBoyle:I'd like to ask your opinion on something, Amy. You know, as most Americans descend from immigrants, do we tend to know less about our own ancestry than our counterparts in the rest of the world?
AmyJowers:I would think so. There's a lot more over in Europe and and Central America, South America, where families stay much more connected. They don't move around about around a lot because there's just not a lot of room to, but not a lot of room to move to. And so I think, you know, it we're a very transient society in a lot of ways. I don't live in my hometown.
MarkWolak:We miss you though. Thank you.
AmyJowers:Um, but I also have, you know, I do have a much greater appreciation for small town living, small villages, because as I read and and found the history of how my great-grandparents moved from Pennsylvania to Illinois to Minnesota, every place they lived, they helped build up that Catholic Church or the Catholic community. And I'm very proud to descend from people like that. But yeah, I think you know, it takes a lot of work to know your your past. You you have to read, you have to study, you have to ask.
JoeBoyle:Well, it it makes me think about when I was a kid uh and my both my grandparents were farmers at one time or another. And I spent a lot of time at my grandpa Boyle's farm, and his ancestors were the first ones to come. So he was like a second generation. So so everything was so young yet. Whereas our kids and grandkids, they they think of their ancestry as like my grandparents or or my great grandparents, and they don't really I don't know that they really look too much further than that.
AmyJowers:Oh, yeah.
JoeBoyle:You know, so I I was just curious, you know.
AmyJowers:Yeah.
MarkWolak:There's a pattern I want you to describe for our listeners because I know you did this terrific amount of work to find where our great great great grandfather came from. So you mentioned the process of Pennsylvania to Indiana or Illinois and then Minnesota.
AmyJowers:Right.
MarkWolak:Stretch it back deeper. So what did you learn? What's the what's the migration process of our ancestors from Europe?
AmyJowers:Okay. Well, to know that you have to find their passenger record and passenger, you know, from the ships that come over because that will record when they came over, uh, where they came from, if they came with families or relatives. So I knew that once I found the ship that my great-grandparents were on, they came through Baltimore, um, not through Ellis Island. So that was something different. And I knew that the ships left Bremen in Germany. At that point, I couldn't go any further. I didn't, you know, there was nothing out there on the World Wide Web that allowed me to search any German records or Polish records. So I contacted legacy tree genealogists. I paid for them to find where our great-grandparents came from, what town they would have come from. And as part of that, I sent them research that I had done. I pulled out some names that had the last name of Kamiyotech, which was what our great-grandmother's name was, and Wallock. And they came up with two hometowns in Poland that they were most likely from. That would have been Laski and Sognow. Now to Polish is what I find a very difficult language. Sognow is actually pronounced Shebnów. Yeah, I know, it makes no sense. Um and as part of the research, the legacy tree genealogist said they actually have to go into state and state archives in order to capture that record. There are very strict laws on how you do it. So it takes a lot of time and you have to wait in line to access those records as they come available. So that's kind of that's how I found out where the hometowns were from, where where they were from.
MarkWolak:Because they probably took a horse and buggy to get to the boat, right? From those two small towns. They rode a horse or they took a buggy, right? At that time in the world.
AmyJowers:Right. And they were farmers, they were poor, they would not have had you know a luxury ride to that port.
JoeBoyle:Yeah. And you said the port was Bremen?
AmyJowers:Bremen.
JoeBoyle:And that's uh on the North Sea?
AmyJowers:It is.
MarkWolak:Okay. So one of the things that we learned, we had a 99-year-old guest, who's now a hundred, his name is Bill Krushel. His mother immigrated from Germany to Canada and then the United States. Do you did you learn anything about that? Why did some immigrants go to Canada, some to the United States? Was there anything there that was did you run into any information there about why?
AmyJowers:Uh, the only thing I can think of is that either the ships were full or it was an easier route. United States, you know, there were a lot of people coming in in the 1800s, the late 1800s was a major immigration period, particularly for the Polish people. Galveston, Texas was also a place where people came through, which I would never have thought of. Yeah. Why would you go all the way around to Texas rather than Baltimore or New York?
MarkWolak:Yeah. Probably because of the land availability, I suppose, huh?
AmyJowers:Yes, yeah.
JoeBoyle:Amy, what surprised you the most about your genealogy search? I mean, uh there was a lot of Polish heritage that you uncovered. What about religion, culture, that sort of thing?
AmyJowers:Yeah, well, the Catholic faith was very important to our great-grandparents. That's one of the things that I found so interesting when I went to Poland last year and I went to the small towns and visited the larger town called Yoslo where they went to church. People walked 10, 15 miles to this church in order to go to mass.
MarkWolak:Wow.
AmyJowers:Yeah. These are not close, you know, it wasn't just a couple blocks. These people truly traveled in order to get to the church.
MarkWolak:That's almost a pilgrimage.
AmyJowers:One of the interesting things about the church at that time is because people traveled so much and they had such large distances, they allowed little chapels to be built in neighborhoods in these villages so that people could stop by and do some praying, uh, visit and pray for you know during a difficult time, and they didn't have to go to the church. Interesting.
JoeBoyle:Wasn't there a large Jewish population though, too? Like almost more than a Christian population in Poland?
AmyJowers:In Poland?
JoeBoyle:Yeah.
AmyJowers:Like that's why they had the concentration camps there. Because that had the largest Jewish population in Europe.
JoeBoyle:What I'm getting at is maybe there there was a little Jewish in there someplace in your ancestry, or don't you think so?
AmyJowers:Well, I did look at that. I because Kamiatech came up on several Jewish lists. And I did use uh Jewish resources to find out, and there's some wallocks as well, but we did not have any connection. It it's we were strictly Catholic. I didn't find anything where anyone else married outside the family in that in Poland.
JoeBoyle:And now it's time for stories in life. Art from the heart, deep thoughts from the shallow end. Each episode we bring you a poem, a song, or a reading just for you.
MarkWolak:Today's Art from the Heart is the Nocturne Opus Nine Number Two, written by a famous composer, Frederick Chopin, a Polish composer around eighteen thirty, eighteen thirty-two.
AmyJowers:Um, so they were definitely looking to have a life, have a living beyond their their um restrictions in Poland.
MarkWolak:And tell us the name of Thomas's parents.
AmyJowers:Anton and Alice.
MarkWolak:Okay. And then did you go beyond Anton and Alice? Did you go one step back, or was that the Well, actually I did.
AmyJowers:I just finished paying the guy that that guided us in Poland, he has found some of the birth and death records of their parents and their siblings. And what was interesting is that Kamiatech, most of her family actually ended up emigrating to the US. So if I'm looking to expand this project, I can uh I can expand on her family.
JoeBoyle:Wow. So date wise, how far back did uh did you get so far?
AmyJowers:Uh the early 1800s. So 1810.
JoeBoyle:Well, that's cool.
MarkWolak:That's really some great work. So for people that want to start this, if there's a if there's a listener that wants to start this, where what would you say are the first few steps?
AmyJowers:Well, look for your local uh society that would be uh for Germans or Poles or Swedes, English, yeah, yeah, Irish.
MarkWolak:Irish.
AmyJowers:And look for your local historical society because they will have a lot of resources that they will know about to help you get your start.
MarkWolak:Do you think with all the digital digital records we have today that it will be easier for families to sort this out as decades go on? You know, when I think about how much we have digitized. What do you think about that? I mean, is that going to be an improvement for people if they want to do some genealogy work?
AmyJowers:Well, it will be in that you don't have to go to the local courthouse and make copies of records. I will say I did not find Ancestry.com to be the easiest to use. I ended up putting my tree on another software called My Heritage.
MarkWolak:Okay.
AmyJowers:And they seem to, you know, they they made it a little bit easier for me to pull up records on my family.
MarkWolak:Okay.
AmyJowers:Um, and it might be that Ancestry just has so many resources all tied together for one search that you know you really have to refine your search a lot. Whereas with my heritage, um, it's it's owned by an Israeli company. They just seem to be able to refine the searches on within the process rather than having me do it all.
JoeBoyle:Okay. Do you see an increase or a decrease in interest in uh these genealogy searches? I know a few years back it was huge, but now like uh uh 23 and me just went bankrupt and that sort of thing. And it is there been a drop-off?
AmyJowers:Well, maybe with the DNA part, you know, I never have done a DNA test. I'm not interested in knowing that part uh because for me, my upbringing and my cultural background comes from the people that are in my tree.
JoeBoyle:Right.
AmyJowers:I don't really care if I have Scottish in me or, you know, even German. I I just that part doesn't matter to me. Um, so I could see where you know that wouldn't be, but the central part of finding where your relatives came from, there's so much out there right now, and I think it will be an ongoing interest.
MarkWolak:I was struck by in looking because I got copies of what you did, I was struck by the amount of incidental information that you found. For example, we interviewed Meg Kissinger, she just she grew up in Chicago and she's written a book about mental health. And it's it's a fairly popular download uh from our listeners. But one of the things that I thought was interesting is you found that our mother was part of a community mental health group in the 60s. So, you know, to me that's just kind of affirming of what our parents were doing when they were in their forties, which a lot of people unless you were, you know, around you and your parents told you, you probably wouldn't know your mother did that.
AmyJowers:Right.
MarkWolak:So I thought that was really intriguing. Is there anything that just stands out in your mind for all the history that you looked at that just kind of you went, Oh, I can't believe this. Is there anything like that that you kind of makes it all worthwhile?
AmyJowers:Well, first of all, to know where they where our family came from was very worthwhile.
MarkWolak:Yeah. I I see that too.
AmyJowers:Yeah, but then to know that I had an uncle who worked on highways in the United States. I had an uh, or actually I should say great uncle, great uncle, I had a great uncle who um worked on the waterways in Indiana and Illinois. I had a great uncle who worked as a fireman. Those are the things that are interesting to me because they all had the jobs that helped build United States. And as a history person, that just kind of reconfirms the strength of our country. You know, we're all having these jobs, we all go to work, we raise our kids to go to work, and out of those jobs comes the continuation of United States.
MarkWolak:And great way to look at it.
AmyJowers:Yeah.
MarkWolak:And the you all the other thing you've mentioned once, and I'll affirm it, is that they had a really strong work ethic and a strong faith.
AmyJowers:Very strong faith. Right. You know, if when you when I did this research, Shemokin, Pennsylvania is where they lived. Well, in that region, a huge Catholic church was built. Then when they go to Lamont, Illinois, the Polish community builds another Catholic church. And then in Gilman, Minnesota, they all helped build St. Peter and St. Paul. And that was actually the second church on that site. The first one, St. Kashmir's burned down, and all of those uh residents helped build up the second one. So now we have this beautiful Saint Peter and St. Paul church in Gilman as a testament to our relatives.
MarkWolak:And it's a giant church for people that think this is a little tiny church. It's not if you can see it miles away because it's got two large steeples and beautiful granite pillars, and it's it's a beautiful church.
AmyJowers:It is.
MarkWolak:For our listeners, Amy and I grew up in the shadow of that church, so yeah, we we know it pretty well.
AmyJowers:Yeah. And and what made that particularly important to me is when I moved to New Hampshire, the Henaker, the town of Henneker, where I lived, was going to build a Catholic church. And I was one of the first donors to help with that new building. And I felt like I was part of my family lineage, that I could do what my great-grandparents did and my great-great-grandparents did.
MarkWolak:Yeah, that's great. Good for you. Well, now you're getting credit too, publicly. One of the things I think is really powerful about what you've done is that my children and their children now have the story. They don't have to go do the research. They can just ask me for the three-ring binder.
AmyJowers:Right. Well, you know, there's there's something to be said for that because you never know what you're gonna want to know later on and how it all ties together and where you belong in it. Yeah. And I'm very happy that people have wanted to read the book and you know, have been interested in knowing, learning about their relatives that they had heard snippets about, but didn't really know the whole thing.
MarkWolak:Yeah. One of the things that um we're paying attention to, so uh one of the softwares that we use is Hindenburg Pro. It comes out of Denmark. But the engineer who developed it worked with another person to just record stories in Africa. And uh they have a belief, and they just traveled Africa and did stories um recorded stories. So, you know, one of our goals is to tell great stories just from everyday people. And this is one. But I also think that that's more of the future. People are gonna want to hear stories, not just um read some kind of well, you know, to stop the uh doom scrolling and to just listen to good stories. So we're seeing an interest in that already.
JoeBoyle:I think the telling of good stories and the listening of good stories and the passing on of good stories is really part of human nature. I think we we long for that and need it. So this is important stuff you're doing, Amy.
AmyJowers:Um yeah, and also with that, you want to make sure you've got the true the true story. You know, it's important on who writes history. And that census example to me, I was just I was kind of devastated when I learned that. Yeah. You're telling people not to record who they are, yeah. Um, and I understand, you know, Germany was a was the ruler was the ruler along with Austria, but still to tell people that you're not Polish.
JoeBoyle:It's like erasing history.
AmyJowers:Right, right. And so I pay attention now to who writes the stories. And you guys do a great job because you're getting first hand stories, which are probably the best you can ever get. You get the true experience.
MarkWolak:Yeah, that's really good. We're gonna use that comment somewhere. When when you were getting ready for this, was there something that you were hoping we would ask you that we haven't asked you?
AmyJowers:No, no, but I will say I have found some new threads I can follow up on, thanks to you guys. I found out that they released the 1950 census. They only release it 72 years after it was uh completed uh because they want to protect the uh some of the people on the census reports. Wow, that's interesting. So now I have a whole new census to look up the people in our family.
MarkWolak:Wow.
AmyJowers:Yeah.
JoeBoyle:Well, that's neat.
MarkWolak:So um do you have other do you have any other questions?
JoeBoyle:Well, I always like to ask our our listeners if they listen to music, and if so, what kind of music do you listen to?
AmyJowers:Oh, George Harrison.
JoeBoyle:There you go.
AmyJowers:Yeah.
MarkWolak:All things must pass. He was in a pretty important group.
AmyJowers:Yeah, he was.
MarkWolak:The quiet one.
AmyJowers:You know that his son, when he was young, thought his dad was just a gardener.
MarkWolak:Oh, that's cool.
AmyJowers:Oh, yeah, because that's all he did. He was always out in the garden. And then one day he came home from school and said, Dad, my my friends have told me that you used to be part of the Beatles. And he said, Yeah. But that's how his son found out.
JoeBoyle:That's a great story. Yeah. I knew I knew a guy who uh said that his son came in and said, Hey Dad, do you know that Paul McCartney was in a band before wings? Yeah. Yeah. This is just one of the stories, but it's an important one, and it's your story, and it's how your forefathers came here and started a life and really were the building blocks of uh what you are today.
MarkWolak:Yeah, I'm really grateful for my sister's work on this because I don't know that I would have been as persistent or dug as deep, and she brought this back to great great great great grandfather Anton from 1810. 215 years. 215 years. And she also traveled there and met with a guide in Poland who took her to exactly the place where Anton lived. And that's really special. And I think she could probably even go back further. But for me, this is a story now for my children and grandchildren as an example of persistence and how hard it is for families to find a place to call home.
JoeBoyle:Right. And it's a common thread. I mean, this story could be told by Italians, Irish, uh Poland, you know, it's you know, it's whoever you ask has have these kinds of stories.
MarkWolak:And what's interesting is uh she m made a note in one of her research works that when they came to Pennsylvania, they were non-union type culture. And so they took the worst jobs to get employed. So they worked in anthracite mining and moved from Pennsylvania to Illinois to Minnesota. It's a remarkable story of courage and maybe a desire to have a place to call home.
JoeBoyle:And I really have to hand it to Amy. She has a lot of poise. Her voice is so perfect for what we're doing here. Yeah. And and she really dug deep and did her homework, and she went all the way back with all those facts and figures, 200 and some years. Very, very good, Amy. Yeah. Well done.
MarkWolak:Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Amy, and uh, we look forward to our next op episode, Joe.
JoeBoyle:Looking forward to it. In addition to those two beautiful pieces by Chopin, which were the Nocturne Opus number nine and the raindrop prelude, we had the Kuleska folk song by the Polish hits on the accordion, which was re-recorded in 2001. And then we also had the late great George Harrison doing if not for you, off the all things must pass multi-album from nineteen seventy.
